Otzlowe
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How many miles to heaven? I think I'm getting close.
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Post by Otzlowe on Sept 22, 2006 18:04:45 GMT
What are your views? Are you religious? well i tried the church thing. it didnt seem to help my life out any. i think my life is better without religious interference. since there is nothing out there that represents my feelings in life. There we go! I feel the same way toward church, and religion. It doesn't really change anything, and I don't identify with what they're saying at all, thus I don't feel the need to be a part of it. I must say, as much as I dislike religion, I think it's actually rather interesting to hear what people's views of spiritual topics are. Like, what they believe happens when you die. I don't really care if it's another life time... I just can't help but wish that it's not just, when you die, you're simply dead. Everything goes blank from you. I at least wish to dream, before I'm erased completely from the earth. I don't mind the the thought of dying... since I know it's going to happen, but... I dunno, call me weak if you want to, I just wish for something more interesting. People shouldn't be criticized for what they believe though. Sure some of it is really unbelieveable and stupid, but we're all allowed to believe what we want. If we all thought the same way you (Shnophie), and Ramz did, a lot of people would be extremely depressed, and the world might not be as good a place as it is. Everything would seem bleak for some people, and that kind of emotion has a way of looming over everything. Right now, I guess my point is, as stupid as I think most religions are, I also think they're important, and needed for many people. They give some people something to believe in, who would otherwise be suicidal if not for their religion. Corny as it is, having a religion can (and does) save some people, not exactly spiritually however. Religions are there for the people who aren't strong enough to deal with the fact that once you die everything is simply over. Some people just cannot handle that fact; I guess I'm kind of one of those people, though I acknowledge both sides, I can't help but hope for something better. Weak as they may be called... that doesn't make anyone any less of a person, infact... they should be commended for finding a way to get beyond that kind of emotional barrier. Even if the religion itself may seem stupid, the purpose of it... at least one of the purposes of religions, really are good, and can help people. I do agree with you though, Ramz, Shnophie. I don't believe it's really possible for something like that to exist... but... I'm not sure.
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Zombie
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Post by Zombie on Sept 22, 2006 18:24:02 GMT
ok let me break this down a bit more. religion is over rated. do you really expect to be saved? god and satan are the 2 bit powers out there. supposedly.
god - you have to live your life without commiting sins to get into heaven. you also have to believe and go to church. who made up these rules? isnt god supposed to love everyone? why should god allow me to go hell?
scenario: guy goes to war, kills people. should he go to hell for killing people? cause supposedly killing is a major sin.
the devil - supposedly this guy rules over all the bad people. and people worship him. why worship something that is going to damn you for all eternity.
final thought: i didnt cover all religions because i think religion is a messed up system. it is too two faced for my liking. supposedly we go to whatever place based upon how we life our lives. "its your fault your here" kinda deal. heck i didnt ask to go to either place. i would just rather cease to exist. all idea's of religion are flawed human based philosophy. so damn me because i disagree with what god or the devil thinks. so be it.
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Post by Surreptitious Cardboard Box on Sept 22, 2006 20:33:47 GMT
Hmm, I don't know if I should bother replying to your post ... I agree with most of your views (though you're slightly confusing when you come onto the Devil) however I think you could have handled the situation a bit better. Whatever your views, I don't want people getting indignant in this topic. Please keep the peace.
In reply to Verius's point, however; if religions did not exist in the first place, do you think it would be necessary for some people to have religion in their lives in order to prevent them from becoming depressed?
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Otzlowe
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Post by Otzlowe on Sept 24, 2006 21:45:37 GMT
No, I don't think they're necessary, really. Then again, something else would be there in it's stead, don't you think? Clearly, something like religion is needed by a number of people, and if it wasn't specifically religion that existed, I think something else like it would be there instead. Religion is just one of the most sensible, when you think about how it came to be. If you, as well as no one else can understand this thing that seems completely alien, it's easy to go and make it into whatever you like, (not necessarily nowadays... but in the past, I assume that it pretty much was)... thus it would be easy for someone to come up with a crazed story about supreme "rulers" of our planet, that watch over us. From there, depending on the certain disposition of the fabled being, it will attract different groups of people. From there, I guess, it's all up to how the individual wants to interpret it.
Sure, it may not have happened exactly this way if you went and did it again, but I think there'd still be a familiar aspect to what stood in it's place. Or, maybe not. I have no real way of knowing.
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Ramirez
The Reincarnation Of Benjamin Breeg
Lucifer was just an angel that was led astray...
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Post by Ramirez on Sept 25, 2006 12:35:37 GMT
Pft. I totally believe there is no afterlife now. Some of you may know on my birthday that I came close to actually dying... I had a diabetic fit where the amount of blood sugar in my body was practically nothing.
I don't remember collapsing or anything else inbetween that and waking up. So surely there would be an afterlife of sorts if I was that close to dying.
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Post by Surreptitious Cardboard Box on Sept 25, 2006 18:49:43 GMT
Die ... dying? What?! Where is this story?!
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Otzlowe
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Post by Otzlowe on Sept 25, 2006 19:26:12 GMT
*Shrug* Or maybe not? Or maybe you have to believe in it in the first place to even see it. Or maybe it's just like sleep, and you don't remember most things. I don't mean to discredit what happened to you, for that I am sorry. I just mean that... close as you may have come to dying, you didn't actually -die-... and I guess... That's why there was no "afterlife". Or maybe you're right, and there just isn't anything. I'm not going to assume anything... just saying there's a bunch of different things that, unlikely as they may seem... they might change something. In either event, I'm glad you're still with us Ramz. One of my best friends has diabetes, we knew him before he was even diagnosed with it... so we know how big of an impact it has on someone. I'd be pretty scared if something like that happened to him.
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Post by Nemesis Zero on Oct 27, 2006 13:45:42 GMT
no not one bit religion causes the deaths of millions so i tend not to be about of it.
causes people to be dived from the rest of the world and causes so much pain and suffering.
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Post by Richard El Britannia on Oct 27, 2006 13:51:08 GMT
I agree. Not religion, directly, but how some people from a certain religion can do things in the world. Religious extremists, for example. But it does cause happiness, too. As Verius mentioned, some people couldn't live without religion and some people wouldn't even think of harming another from some religions. If religion was all bad, I'm sure people would've gone from it a long time before now, bad or not.
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Otzlowe
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Post by Otzlowe on Oct 27, 2006 19:55:54 GMT
It's not that people would be gone from them if they were all bad, since there'd always be someone in a religion, always. It's just that there'd be less religions as they'd be fighting for power, almost like countries and such. *Shrug*
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Post by Surreptitious Cardboard Box on Oct 29, 2006 9:06:49 GMT
It's not the religions themselves that cause the wars, Nemesis Zero, it's the differences between religions and the peoples' inability to accept change and difference.
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.Sicky.
Happy Little Boozer
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Post by .Sicky. on Nov 7, 2006 0:42:52 GMT
In those three pages it was a hell of a lot to read!
Right okay.
For those of you who said you were atheist but still think there is a possibility of something out there.. You're not atheists. You're agnostic. You won't commit fully to being an atheist.
My views on religion.
Christianity - A cover up of the Pagan religion. Why is it that easter just happens to fall at the exact same time as one of the biggest Pagan festivals celebrating the same thing - new life? Also, why does Jesus' birthday fall at 'Yule' another Pagan festival? The Horned God is a deity in the Pagan religion - sound familiar? Oh yes the Devil. There's just too many flaws for my liking.
Judaism - Now I know SOME things about Judaism but even so I'm a bit sketchy. They seem to have got some things right , like with their death rituals and such.
Hinduism - I love this religion. I've been to a Hindu temple near me [It was actually started up by George Harrison, who was a Beatle] and it was such a place of peace and happiness. They're vegetarian because they believe animals are equals. They help others simply because they can. Generally very nice people.
Islam - I also like this religion and it's rituals. Jesus and Muhammed were actually friends according to the Qur'an. If they're not extremists it's a very interesting religion.
Sikhism - Again, very sketchy on this one, but I would like to look into it more.
Buddhism - I like it. Enlightenment seems like hard work though.
Paganism - Just a love of the world around you and yourself. No harm there, right kids?
And with it being half past midnight my brain farted.
Personal beliefs? I have no f**king clue. I think what my friend once said to me seems to sum it up. "When we die, we die, but if there is an afterlife it'll be a nice surprise."
To Ram: Both my parents are diabetic. My dad only has to inject insulin once a day, so its obviously not as bad as your's. However I do feel for you and hope all is well soon. But Verius does have a point. If you were close to dying but were not pronounced clinically dead - how could you know about an afterlife?
Many people who have had death experiences and come back have mainly commented about OOBEs. Out of Body Experiences. Of course we can only go on what they say.. but still. If so many people had the same experience when pronounced clinically dead, surely that's gotta count for something?
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Post by Richard El Britannia on Nov 7, 2006 8:21:58 GMT
That's a nice way of thinking about it.
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.Sicky.
Happy Little Boozer
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Post by .Sicky. on Nov 7, 2006 20:59:05 GMT
Yeah I giggled when he said it. Sorta makes sense, ya know?
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Otzlowe
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Post by Otzlowe on Nov 9, 2006 1:12:20 GMT
Ah yes, agnostic. We call that the Atheist without balls. :3 (Yeah... high school does that.)
I know religions like Christianity are a big cover up... but generally, my problem with them tends to be the PEOPLE who take part of them.
I know a ton of people who claim they're wiccan, that tend to hate everyone and everything, and are the most spiteful people I know. Sound like they're part of the religion? Nope.
One point about Buddhism... while I respect what they try to do... I had a thought about this. You can -never- take away your worldly desires. That would mean you stop being human, effectively... you'd have to lose the ability to think for yourself. Even then, you still have wants in some cases. The way they achieve "enlightenment" is by shutting themselves up in their cells, in their monstaries... that's an unnatural way of numbing your wants, because none of them are near you... you never think to want them! Without force ably isolating yourself from the world, you can never get rid of your worldly desires. As much as I claim to have gotten rid of a good portion of my humanly desires... I can never actually remove them from myself. They always tickle the back of my mind, and I actively realize what it is that I'm subconsciously thinking.
I respect Hinduism, but I'd never be able to be one. I love meat. Simply put, I'll go mad without meat. Vegetables just don't provide the same kind of textural and flavor pallet that you get from meat. Sure they encompass some... but you can never get all of it. =/
In terms of religion though... I just wish they didn't have to conflict with each other so much. Religion is almost brainwashing for thousands of people, and if they say the opposite of another religion, there's going to be a problem between the two, because many of the members of each religion really absolutely believe every single word about their religion to be 100% true. And... some of them specifically say another religion is wrong... which makes it worse. People are too spiteful in what they create in terms of things like this. *Sigh* That's why I'm Agnostic... I don't feel strongly in any direction... especially not enough to stick my foot into a hole of conflict with other people, and criticism just because of something as simple as a religion.
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